Hard 6 Craps

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Shows you how to use the Don't bets to insure your 6 & 8 place bets. For craps, what I usually do is a 'two way parlay on the hard six and eight' ($1 on both the 6 & 8 for both of us = total $4 investment), if the hard 6 or 8 is rolled, it goes to $10 for each of us on that one hard number. Betting both the (6) and (8) gives you a 10 to 6 advantage of one of your numbers hitting before the (7) The house edge on place betting the (6) or (8) is only 1.52%, one of the lowest on the table If the toolbox of strategies you bring to the craps tables does not include a (6) and (8) strategy, then it might be time to find one that works for. HOME Craps Guide The Hardways By definition, any point made up of a pair of the same numbers is made the hardway. In a nutshell, there are four numbers, 4, 6, 8, and 10 and each of them has its own spot on the table. In order to roll a hardway combination, you must roll the exact pair of doubles.


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The craps payout chart below shows various payout statistics such as what kind of craps bets, true odds, payout odds and the total house edge after everything has been calculated through. Note that these payout odds in the chart listed below are not the same in every casino or on all craps tables. Some casinos may have different odds which perhaps may be better or worse than the odds shown in the payout chart. For more detailed information about each specific bet, please visit our page on how to play craps and browse through the craps bets menu.

This craps payout chart is also a great tool if you are just starting to learn the craps strategy. That way you can see all of the odds displayed in one table and you'll be able to decide which bets are better than others. You can see why the free odds bet is such a great one and why some of the proposition bets are terrible. My advice is to study this information or at least glance at it to find good strategies.

Normal Craps Bets and Payout Odds

Craps BetTrue OddsPayout OddsHouse Edge
Pass Line251 to 2441 to 11.41%
Come251 to 2441 to 11.41%
Don't Pass1031 to 9491 to 11.36%
Don't Come (Bar 12)1031 to 9491 to 11.36%
Pass / Come
Free Odds
2 to 1 on 4 or 10
3 to 2 on 5 or 9
6 to 5 on 6 or 8
2 to 1 on 4 or 10
3 to 2 on 5 or 9
6 to 5 on 6 or 8
0%
Don't Pass / Don't Come
Free Odds
1 to 2 on 4 or 10
2 to 3 on 5 or 9
5 to 6 on 6 or 8
1 to 2 on 4 or 10
2 to 3 on 5 or 9
5 to 6 on 6 or 8
0%
7 Out5 to 14 to 116.67%
Yo 1117 to 115 to 111.11%
317 to 115 to 111.11%
2 Snake Eyes35 to 130 to 113.89%
12 Box Cars35 to 130 to 113.89%
Hi-Lo17 to 115 to 111.11%
Craps8 to 17 to 111.11%
C and E5 to 13 to 1 with craps
7 to 1 with 11
11.11%
Field5 to 41 to 1 with 3, 4, 9, 10 or 11
2 to 1 on 2 or 12
5.56%
Field (alternate)5 to 41 to 1 with 3, 4, 9, 10 or 11
2 to 1 on 2
3 to 1 on 12
2.78%
Horn5 to 127 to 4 with 2 or 12
3 to 1 with 3 or 11
12.50%
Whirl / World2 to 126 to 5 with 2 or 12
11 to 5 with 3 or 11
0 to 1 on 7 (push)
13.33%
Hard Way 4 or 108 to 17 to 111.11%
Hard Way 6 or 810 to 19 to 19.09%
Big 6 or 86 to 51 to 19.09%
Place 4 or 102 to 19 to 56.67%
Place 5 or 93 to 27 to 54.00%
Place 6 or 86 to 57 to 61.52%
Buy 4 or 102 to 12 to 1
plus commission (5%)
4.76%
Buy 5 or 93 to 23 to 2
plus commission (5%)
4.76%
Buy 6 or 86 to 56 to 5
plus commission (5%)
4.76%
Lay 4 or 101 to 21 to 2
plus commission (5%)
2.44%
Lay 5 or 92 to 32 to 3
plus commission (5%)
3.23%
Lay 6 or 85 to 65 to 6
plus commission (5%)
4.00%

As you can see from the payout table, there are many bets that sound exotic and arcane but they really aren't that good, even though they may sound like the 'secret' bets that no one knows about. Really the only good ones are the pass line or don't pass in conjunction with the free odds bets. There are a few other decent ones as well. The trick to know is that when the house edge is a very low percentage, then the bet is a good one.

Also remember the fact that the number 7 is rolled more often than any other number. The 2 and 12 (snake eyes and box cars) are rolled the least and have low probabilities of coming out. You can read about this in our odds and probabilities page if you would like to understand the concept behind this. For additional odds information, please view our craps probability odds page for information about true odds of rolling the dice and also visit our Vegas free odds page for information about odds payouts and house edge.

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guitarmandp
Okay there is a regular at the casino I go to that really his only big bet is a $25 firebet and he might have $50 worth of action on the table during a roll. Even during a hot roll he usually says 'same bet'.
Anyways he claims that he's made over 200 grand playing the fire and that he's been on over 80 fire bets so far this year.
I find the 200K profit to be hard to believe. I think he might have grossed 200K, but might have spent more than 200K chasing the fire.
Anyways the probability of hitting a 6 point fire is 1 in 6,100 and something. Recently the idea popped into my head. Wouldn't he better off just putting a $25 chip on the hard 6 on every shooter and parlaying it twice to get it up to $2,500 and then collecting the $25,000 payout? It seems to me like you see the hard 6 or the hard 8 come 3 times before an easy 6 or 7 far more often than a 6 point fire bet.
FYI: The casino I play with allows up to a $25 firebet and has a $10,000 table max but on prop bets the limit is $3,000.
mustangsally

Anyways he claims that he's made over 200 grand playing the fire and that he's been on over 80 fire bets so far this year.

sure, why not
some can get lucky for extended periods of time
especially with payoffs of 250 and 1000 for 1
Quote: guitarmandp

I find the 200K profit to be hard to believe.

I find the $200K profit to be easy to believe
and he also wins $600 or $6,225 too (more often than the 6Fire, imo)

Sex and the city slot machine. I think he might have grossed 200K, but might have spent more than 200K chasing the fire.

that could be true too
Quote: guitarmandp

Anyways the probability of hitting a 6 point fire is 1 in 6,100 and something.

yes

Recently the idea popped into my head.
Wouldn't he better off just putting a $25 chip on the hard 6 on every shooter and parlaying it twice to get it up to $2,500 and then collecting the $25,000 payout?

Hardbetter off in what way?
Firebet, imo, would be more fun
Quote: guitarmandp

It seems to me like you see the hard 6 or the hard 8 come 3 times before an easy 6 or 7 far more often than a 6 point fire bet.

like I see that too, but not many of the tables I play at even have the Firebet
and I did mention he wins on 4 and 5 points too
and the parlay to $25k either does or does not pay
Sally
dicesitter
hey
I don't have any trouble believing he made over $200,000 or the fire bet, but the trouble is
he lost over 2 million doing it
dicesetter
guitarmandp
Sally, I see him spend entire days at the casino betting $25 on a firebet. Every 40 shooters that's $1,000. The firebet is the worst bet in craps odds wise
Here's another problem. He doesn't make 25K on a 6 point fire. He's left with 17K after taxes and he lays the 4tth point for hundreds of dollars and the 5th and 6th point for thousands so I would guess on a 6 pointer he collects only 12K and 3 or 4K on a 5 pointer.
He was on a 4 point fire bet tonight he told me but he only collected like $400 because he laid the 4th point for a little over $200
Zer0
Personally I prefer the fire bet over any other side bet at the craps table, though I'd never put more than a buck on it, maybe press it up to 10 if I hit it once but that's about it. Hardways and prop bets aren't only sucker bets because of the high house edge, they're also boring as #%€&. At least the fire bet gives the shooter somewhat of a sense of achievement.
Zer0
EDIT:accidental double post I can't delete so I'll add this point as well: fire bets don't resolve as fast as props and usually hardways, it may have a higher house edge but it takes so long to resolve the house isn't going to get much out of you if you just do dollars and press on wins, plus if you keep most of your money on pass line/odds it's not going to make a big difference to your bankroll anyway.
MrLeft

I think he might have grossed 200K, but might have spent more than 200K chasing the fire.


That's pretty much what it is for 99% gamblers who claim big wins .. lol
The only 1% is just dumb luck .. with special emphasis on the *dumb*! ;)
MrLeft

Personally I prefer the fire bet over any other side bet at the craps table .. Hardways and prop bets aren't only sucker bets because of the high house edge, they're also boring as #%€&.


Actually . the few times I get to play I usually use the hardways for my slush $1 once I start getting too many. Usually I'll toss the stick $3-4 and tell him/her 'two way' . it might not be the best bet to tip the dealers statistically . but they actually get to book it and it's right there in front of them so they all know I appreciate their work.

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That being said . I only get to play when I'm on vacation . and only buy in for a couple hundred (like once a year) . and I'm not there to make tons of money (or at least I'm at the point where the few dollars I risk really doesn't change my life at all if the house is getting 3% vs 10%) .. I know my odds are not great on them and don't play them when I'm down . but they do make for a fun little extra when they do come out . better than buying a scratchie at the local 7/11! lol