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superrick
Okay for all of you guys that know everything, are bubble craps machines nothing more than a slot machine?
Can you back up what you are writing with facts?
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  1. As such, I believe that the programing involved in an electronic craps machine, or electronic blackjack or any of the other machines like it, is too easy for a programer to analyze - meaning it would be very easy for a computer analyst to review the programming code of a machine and see if it is truly generating random outcomes or if it is.
  2. The traditional craps table was always a $10 minimum. They also have a digital craps table managed by 1 stickman. The table was a $5 minimum and dice are physically thrown by a shooter on a traditional sized table. All bets are placed on a digital screen by each individual player. Definitely not the same but can be fun. Played Boomtown Monday.
  3. Lots of people have an appreciation for gambling, but up until recent years, it's really been just too inconvenient for many to want to load everyone up in the vehicle and drive to the nearest gambling casino, which may be no nearer than several hundred miles away. Because of this, even those dedicated people who savor gambling a lot end up only doing it once every few years.
charlestfuller
Yes, by definition they are different. Craps machines do not have a reel and are not really associated with random symbols. Craps can involve strategy, albeit not necessarily a winning one. Strange to see two threads now about bubble craps machines..
superrick
Well, it's because more and more of these machines are showing up around the country! They also are showing up where they can't have table games, so if that is the case are they slot machines?
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ThatDonGuy

Well, it's because more and more of these machines are showing up around the country! They also are showing up where they can't have table games, so if that is the case are they slot machines?


Bubble craps machines are probably considered 'slot machines' just as much as video poker machines are. If the bets are handled electronically and no staffers (dealers/croupiers) are needed, then it is probably considered a 'gaming device' just like a slot machine. Is there a reason you need to know if the specific term 'slot machine' applies to them?Digital
One exception I can think of to 'they're showing up where they can't have table games': California. Casinos that were opened or had their compacts renegotiated (e.g. to add more machines) after 2010 have a stipulation saying that no games that use 'physical dice' are allowed. While I have a feeling this was targeting the versions of craps that, while cards determine the actual numbers, dice are used to determine which cards are drawn, it almost certainly applies to bubble craps as well.
superrick

Bubble craps machines are probably considered 'slot machines' just as much as video poker machines are. If the bets are handled electronically and no staffers (dealers/croupiers) are needed, then it is probably considered a 'gaming device' just like a slot machine. Is there a reason you need to know if the specific term 'slot machine' applies to them?
One exception I can think of to 'they're showing up where they can't have table games': California. Casinos that were opened or had their compacts renegotiated (e.g. to add more machines) after 2010 have a stipulation saying that no games that use 'physical dice' are allowed. While I have a feeling this was targeting the versions of craps that, while cards determine the actual numbers, dice are used to determine which cards are drawn, it almost certainly applies to bubble craps as well.


Yes, there is a reason and it goes like this, I don't like information that can't be proven and is nothing more than fiction that is passed on to anybody that wants to read it! Common sense would tell you that they are slot machines if the casinos can't have table games but now have these bubble craps machines that are now showing up in more casinos!
If they are slot machines do they have to act like real live table games? There may be a big misconception that they have to act like real table games when they don't have to because in fact they are a slot machine! Standing back and looking at the machine are the players thinking that they are playing real craps when they are not?
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AxelWolf

Yes, there is a reason and it goes like this, I don't like information that can't be proven and is nothing more than fiction that is passed on to anybody that wants to read it! Common sense would tell you that they are slot machines if the casinos can't have table games but now have these bubble craps machines that are now showing up in more casinos!
If they are slot machines do they have to act like real live table games? There may be a big misconception that they have to act like real table games when they don't have to because in fact they are a slot machine! Standing back and looking at the machine are the players thinking that they are playing real craps when they are not?

I would look up the laws in the state you want to know more about. It's to my understanding, in Nevada, if a machine has a dice or poker card feature, it must be random.
I hear people saying they are not random, and the machines are using magnets or something like that to cheat(*rolls eyes). If that's the case, it makes me wonder why most casinos don't allow you to earn points(oftentimes they start out allowing you to earn points and then quickly disallow from point earning) on something that is acting like a slot and is basically cheating people? They should be giving away triple points, running promotions and encouraging people to play their craps 'slot'.
If they can gaff bubble craps to not play fair why dont they just make more games like spin poker VP add FPDW, FPJW etc etc and gaff the hell out of them?
Why not gaff all the Video BJ as well?
I'm not sure why any halfway educated gambler would want to play them for any serious money or time in the first place, unless they have an advantage, or they are just messing around wasting time or whatever.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
Mission146

Okay for all of you guys that know everything, are bubble craps machines nothing more than a slot machine?
Can you back up what you are writing with facts?


For W2G purposes, they are treated as a slot machine rather than table game.
They are legal in some jurisdictions in which live table games are not because they fall under the definition of an electronic game.
In terms of randomness, for Nevada at least, any game that uses cards, dice, roulette wheel or other physical implement that would have set odds must have the probabilities correspond to what the odds would be. In other words, it could be RNG based, but the programmed probabilities would have to be the same as actual physical dice..at least in Nevada.

Casino Digital Craps

You'd do well to examine other states individually.
Vultures can't be choosers.
FleaStiff

Can you back up what you are writing with facts?

Philisophical slot machines? Legal slot machines, IRS slot machines, de facto slot machines, ..you want evidence and FACTS?
OKAY.. here is the important fact: Professional gamblers, bookmakers, million dollar bettors are reliable.
Casinos are betting that they are indeed slot machines.. they are betting millions.. so that makes them slot machines. I ain't seen no casinos ripping the machines out due to massive losses. Nor does there seem to be teams of parasites sucking chips from those machines.
After all the preliminary tests casinos put new games to, the final test is to put it on the floor and see what happens. Casinos saw. They are happy.
So its a slot machine even if the lawyers came up with that designation for some legal reason. Its a slot machine.
AxelWolf
Quote: superrick

Can you back up what you are writing with facts?

Digital CrapsPhilisophical slot machines? Legal slot machines, IRS slot machines, de facto slot machines, ..you want evidence and FACTS?
OKAY.. here is the important fact: Professional gamblers, bookmakers, million dollar bettors are reliable.
Casinos are betting that they are indeed slot machines.. they are betting millions.. so that makes them slot machines. I ain't seen no casinos ripping the machines out due to massive losses. Nor does there seem to be teams of parasites sucking chips from those machines.
After all the preliminary tests casinos put new games to, the final test is to put it on the floor and see what happens. Casinos saw. They are happy.
So its a slot machine even if the lawyers came up with that designation for some legal reason. Its a slot machine.I think we need to get to the real reason the question is being asked.

Digital Craps Aruze

There are people that think if they are a slot they can be programmed to do funny things and hold whatever the casino sets them to hold. I'm not buying it, at least not in most US jurisdictions.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

Digital Craps Table

RS
They are 'slot machines' in the sense you can hit a W2G on them (hit for $1200+ on a single pay, get a jackpot/W2G), as well as that they are electronic. If you're asking 'can the casino change the odds / hold / etc. on the bubble craps?' -- at least in NV, they are not 'slot machines' in that sense. In NV, if a game (even a kiosk swipe & win type game), if things like dice or cards are used, then each outcome has to be equally likely.
I suppose it's possible the machine has an RNG in it that picks what the next dice roll is going to be, by using magnets or some such nonsense. But if that somehow was the case, each number on each die would have to be equally likely to show up. So, in other words, this would have no effect on the player (unless he was trying to DI the craps machine, lol).
Is that what you're getting at, Superrick, you trying to DI the craps machines?

Say hello to the future of craps once these hit Vegas casino floors (via @MeltzVegas) pic.twitter.com/wS1fREeg6T

— Busted Coverage (@bustedcoverage) October 10, 2018


There’s a big gaming convention going on this week in Vegas and one thing that stood out immediately to me as I was going through tweets from media on the ground was this digital craps table where players will have an individual console to place bets and throw dice on a glass top. Definitely odd and definitely coming to Vegas casinos very soon.
Why? The claim is that millennials are more likely to play a digital version of craps and we all know that millennials will own all their parents wealth in the very near future. Vegas is looking to the future and how to separate a 30 year old, who grew up on video games, from his money. I’d also venture to guess that casinos would very much like to eliminate jobs, which would lead to higher profits. Makes sense, right? Of course they’re going to say that’s not the reason for digital games.
From VegasInc.com:

A Las Vegas gaming company hopes a new version of craps that combines a digital layout with a dealer and real dice will make the traditional casino game less intimidating and appeal to millennials and others who might pass by a felt-covered table.
Aruze Gaming’s Roll to Win Craps has been a popular attraction during the Global Gaming Expo this week at the Sands Expo Center.
Players place their bets digitally and roll the dice on a vibrant LED tabletop, with a live dealer monitoring all the action. Lynn gilmartin pic. Payouts are the same as on a regular table.

Whitney said he doesn’t see digital table games taking over casino floors, rather offering an alternative for guests who might shy away from the tables altogether.
“I think we have a very good opportunity to grow our (table games) business,” Whitney said. “The one game that keeps growing year over year is craps. It’s a communal game where people can root for one another. When you walk through a casino and you hear the loudest screams, they’re at the craps table.”
“I think the millennial type of customer will gravitate toward that excitement,” he said.

I was pretty surprised by the 50-50 or so reaction to the original tweet. I thought the majority of you would hate the idea of digital craps, but there are those who want speed of play to improve and this will definitely make that happen. There will be no chips and you won’t have 20 different hard way bets being yelled out at once. Enter your bets and go.

Will that kill the community vibe to craps? I guess if you roll a point, you roll a point. People will always go nuts for that. I think the money on the table aspect fascinates people and that will be lost. The people behind the digital craps table claim it will increase the community effect. Uh, how exactly?

Here’s what the future of kiosk sports betting looks like:

How will it all work?
From TheLines.com:

IGT debuted the CrystalBetting Terminal at G2E. This betting station looks similar to CG Technology betting stations but is made especially for in-play sports betting while watching a game.
Each station allows bettors to customize their screen to show specific games they prefer to watch. The screen also shows in-play odds, and wagers can be placed directly on the screen. Bettors can even play the audio from the game they’re watching instead so they’re not stuck with whatever the sportsbook deems the important game.

You can also pretty much say goodbye to the old ladies taking bets at the sportsbook. Those days will be long gone over the next 10 years and way sooner on the Strip where casinos have to report to stock owners.

Y’all love sports betting kiosks pic.twitter.com/JA0xtfW5SO

— Marc (@MeltzVegas) October 9, 2018

Sports betting kiosks are finally in casinos! I wrote about them and a dope new In Play betting terminal from IGT @TheLinesUShttps://t.co/hl9I3IU6Zgpic.twitter.com/VmUgCnlHKC

— Marc (@MeltzVegas) October 11, 2018